goose
12:04 Sat Mar 30
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The spike in cardiovascular disease is irrefutable though. Especially in the ‘young’.
So what’s causing it?
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Matthew Holmes
11:51 Sat Mar 30
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Roos right.
There were some stats and evidence that showed a period after vaccination when death rates increased and this recovered after a few months.
It's choosing facts and making opinions innit
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Nagel
10:52 Sat Mar 30
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"They even redefined vaccinated status to change the data on vaccinated deaths; ie if you died of covid and had received a vaccine, you were only classed as vaccinated two weeks after revceiving the vaccine."
If it takes 2-14 days for symptoms to start, and the median average time from first symptoms of COVID-19 to death is 18.5 days, then it makes sense to do it that way, as it was already too late for the vaccine to do any good, especially seeing as it takes 1-2 weeks for the vaccine to begin to take effect anyway.
It should be pretty obvious but generally vaccinations are supposed to be a preventative, not a miracle cure for people who already have the illness.
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Mike Oxsaw
1:28 Sat Mar 30
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There was an awful amount of fucking about with the statistics - even going back as far as the vaccine efficacy tests.
The assumption seems to have been that as most/all employed at that level (by the government) had obtained superior degrees from prestigious universities, they were real clever and everybody else (especially the uppity oiks who got their qualifications through former polytechnics) would not be able to see the sleight of hand, and if they did, would not be able to work out what for and why (before everything moved on - and wads were trousered).
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riosleftsock
12:45 Sat Mar 30
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Zeb
All the statitics point to vaccines lowering the hospitalisation and death rates"
That's not correct. Stats point to the vaccines making no difference and making things worse as well. Depends what stats you look at.
They even redefined vaccinated status to change the data on vaccinated deaths; ie if you died of covid and had received a vaccine, you were only classed as vaccinated two weeks after revceiving the vaccine.
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zebthecat
12:22 Sat Mar 30
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chim chim cha boo 7:47 Fri Mar 29
The enquiry hasn't even got to the investigation into procurement yet but even then there is enough is the public domain now that more than suggests corruption.
All the statitics point to vaccines lowering the hospitalisation and death rates but there will always be some who get caught by reactions and I was one of them with the Moderna vaccine. I had a huge immune response to it and was in bed for the best part of a week with a high fever (peaked at 104 old school), cold shivers, headache, muscle cramps and a stonking headache. Definitely not having that one again just like I won't take penicillin or metronidazole as both landed me in hospital with anaphylaxis.
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Matthew Holmes
10:19 Fri Mar 29
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Chim son
That Sunak Moderna link is pretty interesting. Our democracy is pretty bankrupt unfortunately. Maybe it was in the past too but its so barefaced now its unreal!
Basically the world is full if walkers who are happy to sell the rest of us down the river for a boatload of wonga.
That's probably not new but it means these shits who rise to the top aren't the people we need.
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Iron Duke
9:22 Fri Mar 29
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I can believe that the big pharma saw an opportunity, because they always do. When you think about it, AZ was the only one not making a profit. The big pharma wouldn’t have liked that. Funnily enough, all the bad rumours were spread about AZ and not the profit making companies. It’s just a theory, but it wouldn’t surprise me. And the people in government who make the decisions have vested interests and also make a profit out of it.
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BRANDED
9:00 Fri Mar 29
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I have spoken face to face with one of the scientists who was shut down for dissenting. She said “ the big pharmaceutical companies saw a huge opportunity”. After that the games were played that involved governments and social media colluding, any alternative scientific thinking ridiculed and the massive movement of capital to the rich. This is all facts. It was classic disaster capitalism.
Sweden was the outlier and ended up doing better than most.
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zico
8:35 Fri Mar 29
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Matthew Holmes 8:22 Fri Mar 29
Fully agree.
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Matthew Holmes
8:22 Fri Mar 29
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Zico
Yep agree with you again. Sometimes one side (or all sides /anyone) sully their credibility by fibbing. When it comes to light it just makes you think you can't trust anyones report/opinion unless you confirm with your own eyes.
It's a crazy world.
About the vax folks spamming msg boards for condolences etc for dead people. Wankers really. Just no need to do that.
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happygilmore
8:17 Fri Mar 29
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Lee Trundle 7:39 Fri Mar 29
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Look at the clever Professor......
I think most of us have moved on...time to love you and leave you, with your stereotype clever reponses.
You have me totally outwitted 😃
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Side of Ham
8:14 Fri Mar 29
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Trunds let it be noted the opposition were just as much a clusterfuck and they didn't even make any of the major decisions.......it will be an on going clusterfuck.....
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Lee Trundle
7:52 Fri Mar 29
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The whole covid reaction was a huge clusterfuck, chim. I can't think of any good decision that was made by the people in charge of anything related to it.
I just think the vaccine process was the worst of it.
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chim chim cha boo
7:47 Fri Mar 29
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I find it incredible that during the Covid enquiry (where every day there were things admitted by the government that made your jaw drop, from their arrogance and massive stupidity, to the billions of pounds they and their little pals trousered, to the billions lost through fraudsters scamming the furlough scheme and their absolute contempt for the old and sick and their poor families.
Yet everyone seems to jump on this thread about vaccination or lack thereof?
Here's a fun fact, Sunak and his missus are major shareholders in Moderna, a company set up by the hedgefund management company he 'used to work for'.
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zico
7:47 Fri Mar 29
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Vexed - I do notice on social media that if a 1980's pop star who clearly used their nose every night of the week along with several bottles of vodka pops their clogs then these days it must be the vaccine. When Arnie Swarzenegger had a pacemaker put in last week Twitter was awash with "serves him right for getting the vax", despite him suffering a congenital condition, bicuspid aortic valve which killed his mother and his grandmother. Oddly enough no-one even mentioned steroids!!
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Lee Trundle
7:39 Fri Mar 29
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I know education over there isn't the strongest, so I'll forgive you for being unable to read, happygilmore.
I haven't said anywhere on this thread the vaccines were killing young people (I wouldn't completely rule it out, however). I said they didn't work.
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WHU(Exeter)
7:36 Fri Mar 29
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That’s a fair point Vexed. I know of quite a few people in their sixties who still cane it most nights of the week. I don’t think that would be true of generations before, aside from the same levels of alcoholism. A significant percentage of older generations still getting off their tits, is a relatively new phenomenon, as you say.
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zico
7:35 Fri Mar 29
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Matthew Holmes - Yes agreed. I certainly think it all should be looked into,. If you brush things under the carpet then there can be no surprise people question the official narrative. However it goes tot far the other way that whenever someone dies "suddenly", unless they are over 80, social media screams ~"another vaxx victim" and floods tributes with the vaxx theories. Once it's come out that it was actually a car crash or suicide those same people don't come back and retract and apologise, and some even question the reporting of a different cause. . So many claim they know all these people who were perfectly healthy and they just dropped down dead. My dad dropped down dead seemingly healthy back in 2000 at 59 but he obviously wasn't healthy because he dropped down dead!
That film "Died Suddenly" seems the oracle for quite a few but when you look at the facts most clips in the film were off people who hadn't died, but merely been caught on a security camera fainting, quite often in years preceding the pandemic. They predominately used a key young basketball figure in the US as an example of a sudden vax death when he had a heart attack on court. Yes, he had a heart attack, but he survived and was back playing a few months later. Yes it did happen during the pandemic but it was way before any vaccines came out. They also had a clip of these strange clots but the video was proven to be the same video that had been a medical video on You Tube made many years before. Then there was that Anti Vax Magazine in Ireland I think who plastered the death of a young boy over the cover as another victim of the vax. He committed suicide, his mother asked the magazine to remove his photo and the story but the magazine refused despite proof to the contrary. Yes question the narrative but surely it doesn't help a cause if pure fiction is suggested as fact, and to be fair that goes for all sides. If you are convinced about something then why fib?!
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happygilmore
7:34 Fri Mar 29
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Indeed . I wonder if Prof Trundle has done any research into the rise in heart related deaths and the massive increase in use of cocaine etc or the rise in obesity from sedentary lifestyles
But it's all clearly down to vaccines for covid but seemingly no other vaccines
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